Posts by Anders Andersen

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Fade Fail: Not as Easy as I'd Like

by Hadriel in

this has been tough.

very tough actually.

because i'm so integrated into things including certain tasks which i can't say as it would be a dead giveaway i find myself constantly bombarded by things.. i'm literally a lying every day.

Anders Andersen

I couldn't fake it for more than 2 weeks even. It's very hard indeed. Not that I wanted to even.

Make sure you take care of yourself first Hadriel. While the probably best way to wake up others is when still posing as a true believer (no anti-apostate guard up) your first responsibility is your own (mental) health, and your family.

Others who can be woken up, will wake up eventually even without our help. So keep it up as long as you can, but please don't destroy yourself in the process.

Take care!

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Faith and Lies.

by sparrowdown in

if you were hooked up to a polygraph machine when you were still an asleep, kool-aid drinking dub and asked if you agree 100% with every single wt teaching (asked as individual questions and collectively), would you have "passed" with no signs of deception?.

i know, i definitely would not have "passed" such an interegation.

i would have tripped up on questions about blood, dfing and non jws being marked for destruction just to name a few.

Anders Andersen

Pass 110%

Unless the line of questioning was designed to create doubt about scientific topics (evolution, 6000 year human history)

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Like Father, Like Son

by cofty in

when faced with awkward questions about the morality of god many christians respond by distancing themselves from the old testament and focusing on "gentle jesus meek and mild" of the new testament.. for bible-believing christians this is intellectually dishonest.. according to christian dogma jesus was the god of abraham isaac and jacob.

the logos, the alpha and omega who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever.".

he claimed that "he that has seen me has seen the father" and that "i and the father are one".. in short, christians assert that jesus is almighty god from all eternity.. it therefore follows that jesus was the god who ordered the nation of israel to take slaves as inheritable possessions.

Anders Andersen

Again, if God exists, then He knows all things past, present and future; He knows the hearts and thoughts of all men. He is perfect. He is just. It's pointless to try to judge Him by atheistic standards, ethics or morals as those are not even binding on themselves, much less God.

That's a leap you are taking: if God exists, then he is all these other things like perfect and just.

You are running around in circles:

My God is perfect and just.
How do you know?
Look at all the stuff He has done, it shows how just and perfect He is.
Mmm....okay, but what about allowing humans to be kept as property when He could have easily forbidden it, just like he forbade a lot of useless stuff? (Or insert other objections)
That's also perfect and just, because God is perfect and just! Don't you dare judge Him!

This line of reasoning sounds like

All cars are red.
Umm, what about this blue one?
It's also red, because all cars are red. Besides you are not qualified to question colors because you don't accept all cars are red!

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Is the WT’s Paradise Earth doctrine a delusion?

by deegee in

the wt’s teaching that humans will live forever on a paradise earth will necessitate that given that there will be no more death, then immortal humans will have to be relocated to other planets in order to prevent the earth from becoming overpopulated.. so how many habitable, earth-like planets are there?more and more habitable, earth-like planets would have to become available on a continuous, never-ending basis ad infinitum as mankind’s population grows given that there will be no more death.. the longevity/sustainability of life on these planets will be limited by the fact that the sun serving these planets will eventually die:https://shar.es/1cko6n.

http://www.space.com/22437-main-sequence-stars.html#sthash.ejbt1xrz.dpuf.

so immortal humans will have to keep moving from planet to planet.

Anders Andersen

@outlaw,

Lol. Can't believe that half a year ago I REALLY BELIEVED THAT SHIT :-O

While everyone knows there will be no beach balls in Paradise (they could lead to rivalry amongst brother playing a game with it)

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Is the WT’s Paradise Earth doctrine a delusion?

by deegee in

the wt’s teaching that humans will live forever on a paradise earth will necessitate that given that there will be no more death, then immortal humans will have to be relocated to other planets in order to prevent the earth from becoming overpopulated.. so how many habitable, earth-like planets are there?more and more habitable, earth-like planets would have to become available on a continuous, never-ending basis ad infinitum as mankind’s population grows given that there will be no more death.. the longevity/sustainability of life on these planets will be limited by the fact that the sun serving these planets will eventually die:https://shar.es/1cko6n.

http://www.space.com/22437-main-sequence-stars.html#sthash.ejbt1xrz.dpuf.

so immortal humans will have to keep moving from planet to planet.

Anders Andersen

Well isn't that what's bound to happen anytime someone tries to construct a logical sound explanation of the collected (and probably mistranslated) superstitions and delusions of ancient folk?

If the foundation is rotten...

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Like Father, Like Son

by cofty in

when faced with awkward questions about the morality of god many christians respond by distancing themselves from the old testament and focusing on "gentle jesus meek and mild" of the new testament.. for bible-believing christians this is intellectually dishonest.. according to christian dogma jesus was the god of abraham isaac and jacob.

the logos, the alpha and omega who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever.".

he claimed that "he that has seen me has seen the father" and that "i and the father are one".. in short, christians assert that jesus is almighty god from all eternity.. it therefore follows that jesus was the god who ordered the nation of israel to take slaves as inheritable possessions.

Anders Andersen

Coldsteel
He did, however, allow it as it was an ancient custom.

God supposedly wanted to make Israel his special people amongst the nations. He gave them several commands to remember them they were different. Israel was not allowed to follow the customs of the land when it came to very important things like clothing (don't mix two fibres in one cloth, add a blue ribbon and fringes to you garment) or cooking (don't eat blood, no pork etc, don't boil a goat in his mother's milk).

Israel was not allowed to do these ancient customs.

But when it came to slavery and war crimes....well it would be too much to ask Israel to stop following the customs of the nations with that, right? It's not that human life and dignity is more important than clothing and cooking and having a day of.

And though they could be inherited, the Lord directed that on certain occasions and jubilees that the slaves be released with compensation.

Yeees, but only the Hebrew slaves were set free. All foreigners, POW and abducted girls were screwed for life (also literally) (Le 25)

So when the OP states that Jesus is God's image, it means that Jesus is more concerned with what you eat and how you dress than with human life and freedom.

Hey does that remind you of a certain religion?

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The argument over wood petrification and the pertification of animal dung?

by Crazyguy in

there's two sides to the explanation of petrified wood not sure yet about what creationists say about petrified dung.

on one side evelutionists say it's a long process the creationists say it happen rapidly caused by noah's flood and after.

has anyone really looked into this argument to see if there a decisive way to show the bible believers wrong.

Anders Andersen

@ScenicViewer,

Lol.

Just take whichever you like. Both are crappy translations of ancient myths and tales for which the originals have never been found.

On a more serious note: I look this stuff up on wol so I think it is the rNWT.

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The argument over wood petrification and the pertification of animal dung?

by Crazyguy in

there's two sides to the explanation of petrified wood not sure yet about what creationists say about petrified dung.

on one side evelutionists say it's a long process the creationists say it happen rapidly caused by noah's flood and after.

has anyone really looked into this argument to see if there a decisive way to show the bible believers wrong.

Anders Andersen

Supercritical water erupting from under the crust would cover the earth with such sediments, thereby creating a one time record of that event. But that would indicate a global flood, and that obviously never happened.

Well the Biblical account would still be wrong then. See also footnotes in NWT for Gen 6:6, 11

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Inviting disfellowshipped to the memorial

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i read in a european ex jw forum that this year they are making a special effort to invite not only the inactive but also a special effort is made to invite all disfellowshipped.

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i don't know if this as always been a common practice, or something started anew so they can boast about the numbers of attendees..

Anders Andersen

@Wanneexit,

Care to share what forum that was?

Not that I will ever even think about visiting other forums, that apostatize from our apostate ways.
Noooo, because then Simon would disfellowship probably me here.

Oh wait....

j/k

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Only a few days ago I was entirely lost and without hope the rug was pulled out from under me

by elderess in

jw
friends

only a few days ago i was walking around the house in a mindless wander thinking if i needed to seek professional help.

then i got the courage to seek the comfort of complete strangers on the internet and found a world of support here on this website.

thank you simon and whoever else has made this website possible.

Anders Andersen

@Elderess,

I am so very happy for you and your husband (and a little bit jealous)!

Welcome to the rest of your life!

Make the best of it and have fun!